lesbians and trans women

oh-dear-discrimination

just fyi

things that are okay: lesbians not being attracted to trans women, preferring to date cis women.

things that are also okay: lesbians being okay with dating trans women

things that aren’t okay: “LESBIANS ARE ATTRACTED TO FEEEMALES. FEMALE = VAGINA. TRANS LESBIANS ARE STRAIGHT MEN!! IF YOU DATE A TRANS WOMAN, YOU ARE A BISEXUAL, NOT A PURE LESBIAN LIKE ME.”

things that definitely aren’t okay: claiming that if a lesbian isn’t interested in dating a trans woman, she is transphobic or “cissexist,” and she should try it even if she doesn’t want to avoid being seen as a bigot. guilting her, pressuring her, or coercing her in any way.

sarajevski

“Lesbians thinking that transwomen are disgusting subfemales is valid if they’re nice about it uwu”

oh-dear-discrimination

not being attracted to someone =/= thinking someone is a disgusting or less than cis women

literally how the fuck could you get that from this

sarajevski

Okay, what reason do Lesbians (aside from people such as those who are traumatized by penises) have for not wanting to date transwomen?

Further question, do you think it’s okay for white people to not want to date black people?

oh-dear-discrimination

Their reason is preferring to date cis women and they don’t owe anyone an explanation or justification beyond that for not being interested.

And yes, that is also okay, for anyone to be more attracted to any race, so long as they’re not shooting down other races as inferior or uplifting their own as “the objective best.” Attraction isn’t activism and it cannot be controlled or forced, and it’s no one’s place to try to change it. People should enter into relationships with people they want to be in relationships with, period.

I like dark hair. It doesn’t mean I think everyone with light hair is ugly or unlovable, it just means I personally am more attracted to people with dark hair, and people with light hair deserve to find someone who is attracted to people with light hair.

sarajevski

HOOOHOOHOOOOO BOY, THAT’S WHAT I GET FOR MAKING THE MISTAKE OF DEBATING AN ANTI-SJW

oh-dear-discrimination

I’m not an anti-SJW…and I’m also not racist or transphobic. People just don’t have to want to sleep with you, Karen.

I’m Native American. If someone didn’t want to date Natives, that’s their loss and I would not try to coerce them, I would find someone who did.

Not my business who someone wants to fuck and it’s not yours, either, because attraction isn’t activism.

krakenpocalypse

OP: “If you’re not attracted to trans people, you’re not obligated to date them… but you don’t have to be transphobic about it.”

Some nimrod: “What’s this anti-SJW bullshit!?”

lightningthewarrior

You can’t be attracted to everyone, but if you’re already atracted to someone and being trans is a deal breaker guess what? You’re being transphobic. (Unless you have been traumatized as stated above, but that’s not the other person with the problem, it’s you and you need to see a therapist, no matter what your orientation you should not be traumatized by genitalia) and honesty as a psych major don’t ever be offended if someone tells you to see a therapist. It’s nothing out of this world, everyone needs one at some point in their lives.

thespectacularspider-girl

That is asinine.

You’re aware that not everyone is attracted to penises, right?  Are you saying that if a straight man finds a crossdressing trap sexually attractive up until they reveal themselves to be a man, that now they’re obligated to continue finding them sexually attractive?

Is that suddenly homophobic?  Because now we’ve removed the trans argument from the equation.

If a straight and cis, feminine looking man puts on make up, wears a dress and manages to catch my attention, now I’m obligated to keep finding them sexually attractive when it’s revealed they’re a straight, cis man?  Am I then no longer a lesbian?

You are immediately jumping to your conclusion entirely based on the trans factor of this equation, I think.  Initial appearances and behaviors can be misleading and demanding that people be obligated to continue finding somebody attractive when something in their perspective changes is trying to police people’s sexuality.

bokatisha

This is.. Objectively transphobic. News flash, all trans people look different. Just like cis people! Saying you aren’t attracted to trans women isn’t the same as not being attracted to redheads. I have plenty of trans friends that “look cis”.

If you’re dating someone and they reveal that they’re actually black and you don’t like them anymore, congrats! You’re racist! If someone reveals that they’re trans and you don’t like them anymore, wow, transphobic!

Also, comparing trans women to cross dressing men is really fucking gross.

acemindbreaker

Yes, trans people all look different, but are you really going to deny that there are certain features that are more common in trans people than cis people?

For example, not all trans women are tall, broad-shouldered and have low voices. And some cis women are tall, broad-shouldered and have low voices. But trans women are definitely more likely than cis women to meet that description.

I’ve met enough transmasculine people (trans guys and enbies) that I can often pick out someone as transmasculine just by looking at them. There’s a certain body type that so far, 100% of the people I know with that body type are people that I know for a fact are AFAB and trans (and are either on testosterone, wearing a binder/had top surgery, or both). Not all AFAB trans people I’ve met have that body type, sure, but I’ve yet to meet a cis person who looks like that.

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